T.D. Jakes Rebuked by Black Leader for ‘Riding Two Horses’ on ‘Gay Marriage’ in Recent Statements

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T.D. Jakes Rebuked by Black Leader for ‘Riding Two Horses’ on ‘Gay Marriage’ in Recent Statements

By Heather Clark | christiannews.net

Jesse-300x300A prominent black leader is calling out T.D. Jakes for his recent comments on homosexuality—including a formal statement yesterday–which indicate that while Jakes is personally opposed to “gay marriage,” he supports the government granting homosexuals the right to “marry” and believes that practicing homosexuals should attend churches that affirm their lifestyle.

“I think he’s trying to ride two horses at the same time,” Jesse Lee Peterson, a California pastor, president of the organization BOND (the Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny), and leader of the BOND Leadership Academy for youth, told Christian News Network.

“He’s trying to appease … the homosexual community and trying to appease the Christian community as well,” he said. “You can’t ride two horses at the same time. You can’t serve two masters. You love one and hate the other.”

JAKES TO HUFFINGTON POST: HOMOSEXUALS SHOULD ‘FIND A PLACE OF WORSHIP THAT REFLECTS’ THEIR BELIEFS

As previously reported, during an interview with the Huffington Post last Monday, Jakes was asked by a viewer if he believes that homosexuals and the black church can co-exist.

“Absolutely,” he replied.

“An obvious yes; the Church ain’t turning nobody away,” interviewer Marc Lamont Hill added. “How should the black church and the LGBT community co-exist?”

“I think it is going to be diverse from church to church. Every church has a different opinion on the issue and every gay person is different,” Jakes replied. “And I think that to speak that the church—the black church, the white church or any kind of church you wanna call it—are all the same, is totally not true.”

Jakes said that he thinks homosexuals should find congregations that affirm their lifestyle instead of trying to change biblical churches.

“LGBT’s of different types and sorts have to find a place of worship that reflects what your views are and what you believe like anyone else,” he outlined.

“The church should have the right to have its own convictions and values; if you don’t like those convictions and values [and] you totally disagree with it, don’t try to change my house, move into your own … and find somebody who gets what you get about faith,” Jakes added.

JAKES: DESPITE PERSONAL VIEWS, I RESPECT ‘RIGHTS’ GRANTED TO HOMOSEXUALS 

When asked if his thinking has “evolved,” Jakes agreed that it has.

“Evolved and evolving,” he replied.

“Where are you?” Hill asked.

“I think that where I am is to better understand we, the church, bought into the myth that this is a Christian nation,” Jakes responded. ““[O]nce you get past [thinking America is a Christian nation] … Once you begin to understand that democracy—that a republic actually—is designed to be an overarching system to protect our unique nuances, then we no longer look for public policy to reflect biblical ethics.”

In addition to stating that the government was meant to “protect [the] unique nuances” of its citizens and was not designed to reflect biblical ethics, he explained the he believes that the government shouldn’t enshrine Christian principles in the nation’s laws just because Christianity is the dominant religion in America.

“If we can divide—or what you would call separation of Church and State—then we can dwell together more effectively because atheists, agnostics, Jews, all types of people, Muslims, pay into the government,” Jakes asserted. “The government then cannot reflect one particular view over another just because we’re the dominant group of religious people in [this] country because those numbers are changing every day. We need a neutralized government that protects our right to disagree with one another and agree with one another.”

“That’s outside the Church,” Hill remarked, seeking to pull Jakes back into the original intent of his question about his “evolve” question. “Inside the Church, has your thinking shifted biblically, Scripturally, hermeneutically at all? The reason I ask that is because I talk to a lot of ministers now …. and one of the questions [at a recent African meeting] was, is there a way to approach Christian tradition—Christian Scripture—in light of a new understanding of LGBT?”

Hill then pointed to the issue of slavery, and that “irrespective of what [biblical] text says literally, we don’t support slavery as a body.” He asked if there was likewise “room for that same kind of shift” when it comes to homosexuality.

Jakes said that he believed that the shift needed to occur “behind the closed doors of the church” to avoid being called names by society for disagreeing on the matter. He added moments later that the issue of homosexuality is “complex.”

“Paul spends a lot of time wrestling back and forth, trying to understand should a woman wear a head covering, should you cut your hair,” Jakes stated. “I mean, they grappled back then and we’re grappling now because we’re humans and we are flawed and we’re not God.”

“Once you understand you’re not God, you leave yourself an ‘out’ clause to grow,” he said.

JAKES RELEASES TWO STATEMENTS SEEKING TO CLARIFY REMARKS FOLLOWING REPORTS

Following Christian News Network’s report on Jakes’ statements, he shot back on Facebook, remarking that he was “shocked” at how his comments were interpreted, but reiterated that while he personally doesn’t endorse homosexual “marriage,” he “respects” the government’s provision of it for those who want it.

“My comment on HuffPo TV drifted into issues of the Supreme Court ruling and changing the world through public policy versus personal witness. Further, I have come to respect that I can’t force my beliefs on others by controlling public policy for tax payers [sic] and other U.S. citizens,” he wrote.

“Jesus never sought to change the world through public policy but rather through personal transformation. All people didn’t embrace him either,” Jakes continued. “That’s what I said and what I meant …. Nothing more and nothing less.”

He contended that when he used the phrase “evolved and evolving” in response to Hill’s question, he was only referring to the methods used to minister to homosexuals, not his position on the issue.

“When asked about the ‘black church’ and its role in ministering to gay people, I briefly mentioned (we were running out of time) the word ‘evolved and evolving’ regarding my approach over the 39 years of my ministry to gay people who choose to come to our services,” Jakes wrote. “I simply meant that my method is evolving—not my message.”

However, Jakes’ comments about “evolving” in context were in reference to his belief that because America is not a Christian nation, it should give rights to all people and allow disagreement in the interim.

“I was shocked to read that this was manipulated in a subsequent article to say I endorsed same sex marriage! My position on the subject has been steadfast and rooted in Scripture,” he said in his statement this week.

Jakes concluded by stating that although he personally opposes same-sex “marriage,” he “respects the rights” given to homosexuals by the U.S. government—as he had outlined during the Huffington Post interview.

“For the record, I do not endorse same sex marriage but I respect the rights that this country affords those that disagree with me,” he remarked.

Jakes made similar comments on Tuesday in a new statement posted to Facebook, asserting again that he personally is against same-sex “marriage,” but that “secular audiences” are not obligated to understand the biblical viewpoint.

“Such brief commentary is inadequate to explain complex theological principles or to evaluate societal norms from a biblical perspective,” he wrote. “This is especially true of secular audiences who are not obliged to understand or adhere to Scripture as the moral arbiter for their lives.”

Jakes contended that his “evolving” remark was in regard to the methods of sharing the gospel with homosexuals and not his stance on the issue.

“The inference is that I am ‘developing’ in my approach to the LGBT community that I may share the Gospel most effectively so as to lead ‘whosoever will’ to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ,” he claimed.

“[M]y beliefs about sexuality and marriage—as with all topics—is based on Scripture,” Jakes also said. “My stance on the topic has never wavered. It is fixed, steadfast and well documented. Nor am I ashamed of the gospel, for fear of appearing politically correct.”

Jakes mentioned nothing on Tuesday of national concerns regarding his advice that homosexuals should find affirming congregations, nor did he address the original concerns over his statement about his agreement with the “rights” the “non-Christian” government affords to homosexuals.

JESSE LEE PETERSON: YOU CAN’T BE BOTH AGAINST AND FOR ‘GAY MARRIAGE’

But Jesse Lee Peterson says that he doesn’t believe Jakes is being honest in his attempts to clarify his statements as the context of Jakes’ remarks as seen in the video footage belies his assertions. He said that Jakes is rather back peddling and “speaking out of both sides of his mouth.”

“He’s trying to back pedal by lying about what he said and what his intent was behind what he said,” Peterson told Christian News Network. “For this man to speak out of both sides of his mouth indicates that he is a hypocrite.”

He said that he doesn’t believe Jakes’ comments to the Huffington Post were misconstrued, but rather that Jakes’ was telling the outlet—as reported—that while he has personal beliefs about homosexuality, he simultaneously believes that homosexuals should have their “rights” as the nation operates outside of biblical values—and in that sense, Jakes does support same-sex “marriage.”

“That’s exactly what he’s saying,” Peterson said. “He might as well have just come out and said outright that he does support it [in that regard], because that’s clearly what he’s saying, [that] because the government supports it, we should support it.”

“The country is not misunderstanding what he’s saying,” he continued. “I think the country, especially Christians, is seeing quite clearly what he is saying … You can’t be against it and for it. You’re either one or the other.”

Peterson said that Jakes’ argument in regard to the “rights this nation affords” to homosexuals is unscriptural.

“It’s clear that the government is not on the side of Christianity and it’s clear to me that today’s government does not serve God …. so they do want to accept everything—at least everything that’s wrong,” he said. “But being a ‘spiritual leader’–a man of God, a man who is leading the flock—he cannot go along with the idea of the government.”

“If you’re a man of God, you cannot have your ‘personal’ opinion about sin,” Peterson continued. “[H]ow are you going to have an opinion based on the government and be for it, but have a godly opinion about it and be against it? It doesn’t work like that. … It’s not right. We should not support it just because the government is supporting it.”

Peterson also expressed concern about Jakes’ remarks asserting that homosexuals should attend churches that affirm their beliefs instead of seeking to change Bible-based churches.

“It was unbiblical [counsel] and there is no way that you can be a spiritual leader and give out that type of advice,” he said. “God calls upon sinners to repent, and had T.D. Jakes been honest and fair, or a true spiritual leader, he would have called upon homosexuals to do the same thing, not recommend that they go to a different church.”

“A real man of God would not suggest that a homosexual go to a church that agrees with their lifestyle,” Peterson added. “He would suggest that they repent and turn to God.”

39 Comments on “T.D. Jakes Rebuked by Black Leader for ‘Riding Two Horses’ on ‘Gay Marriage’ in Recent Statements”

  1. Dixnote7

    In the multitude of words sin lack not. When we as born again Christians lean to our own understanding and go on a tangent, we will go off course. Our true feelings will arise no matter how hard we try to back track with a different explanation. We lie.

  2. Kevin Clark

    Edris Elba’s pops was dead on calling out Bishop Jakes. I love and appreciate how this article broke down Bishop Jakes’ repLIES with such clarity. And just as I anticipate, Mr Jakes released the inevitable, “Naw, see, what I had meant was…” Sorry big guy, we knew what you meant the first time. Prayfully, the blinders will begin to come off some of the folk’s eyes.

  3. Tala

    We ALL know Jakes has to step to the beat of those he’s rubbing elbows with in the world. It’s NO surprise that this is HIS stance. He says he’s preached to gays for 39 years but I’m sure you’d be hard pressed to find one that has come out from amongst the lifestyle. This man is CLEARLY mincing words, doing a song & dance all while being controlled & committed to the world. Yes the passing of the law may have looked like a travesty to some but for those who have eyes, LOOK at the real reason God ALLOWED this to happen. So the real Sons of God are distinguished. THIS is the line in the sand. The day for straddling the fence & being lukewarm are OVER. You’re either FOR Christ or against Him. I frankly don’t caee what law man tries to implement, as for me & my house, we WILL serve the Lord!

  4. Adrian

    This is nothing new Ex Ministries been called this man out years ago. Bishop TD jakes has always been luke warm and dogmatic on the subject of homosexuality.

  5. Kerry

    Jake’s church is a gay friendly church. He’s friend with the cross dressing Tyler Perry and Oprah winphrey . Woe to the shehpard that scatter His sheep. He will be judged .

  6. Geneva Miller

    T D Jakes, is trippin, he is now serving mamon and has stepped away from God, to say we are not and never were a Christian nation is damning to his spiritual walk. He is leading folks astray and that is going to be real bad for him on judgement day lest he turns and repents, he has bathed in the world and its disturbing………

  7. Flavius

    Jesus warned us of the leaven of hypocracy. The bishop obviously was marketing his church as a possible alternative to homosexuals who want a place to worship. It will be interesting to see what his flock does now that he has drawn a line in the sand. It saddens me because this confusion and inclusion exposes the fact that men who claim to be representatives of Christ actually are representing their pockets and own self interest.

    As a body of believer who believe in Christ as the only way ,we need to reprove these leaders’ behavior, and repent for what we have exposed or families to, and more importantly the sacrificing of our children by virtue of accepting a false teaching . We need to come out from among bad leadership. The Word of God is clear and states that evil communication corrupts good manners. The word of God is absolute, and will prosper and people who believe in a word will go on to create much fruit in this case based on a false word. The bishop would be correct in his assertions that we can accept the homosexuals, and they can come to church with a body of believers who don’t believe what they believe! Provided that the word of God had said good communication corrupts or changes evil behavior, but the word doesn’t say that , it says quite the opposite, and the whole stance of the bishop and other false prophets like him has been contrary to God’s word.

    This is not the kingdom of which Jesus spoke of and we need to recognize false teaching and false prophets and save our souls. Stop relying on men who claim to represent king Jesus yet their speech is contray and diametrically opposed to what Jesus said the kingdom of heaven is like. It should now be clear that those false teaching and the so called ambassadors of Christ are not of Christ since their speech and fruit does not represent the Speech of the king or the speech from the throne of God.

    Let’s get our face out of Facebook and get on our face , and get our face in the book of life i.e. the bible, and pray and renounce these false teachings and ask God to deliver us from these devices of the devil and the effects it has had on us. We need to pray and repent turn away from the lies and turn towards truth.

  8. Dg

    He never said he was for Gay marriage or the practice of homosexuality. He just said he realized that the culture at large doesn’t understand or follow scripture. He gave a diplomatic answer without preaching and condemning.That’s all.

    1. jack

      He’s not a diplomat, he’s a preacher. Bruising egos, and stepping on toes go with the job description. Saving souls should be his top priority, not saving face. You do that by speaking the truth.

  9. Dwight

    So sad, but this is the stance many of your TV preachers hold. Speaking out
    both sides of their mouth. The fact is they are trying to appease both sides and
    at the same time escape persecution that is coming.

  10. SamJ

    Amazing. Ex Ministries warned us about Bishop Jakes a long long long time ago. And now we are here looking at this compromising mega pastor Bishop Jakes. Sad. You have to respect Pastor G. Craige Lewis – his boldness and steadfastness to the Word of God is an asset to the Body of Christ. May God continue to bless and protect Ex Ministries.

  11. Chuck Fowler

    At the end of days The Most High GOD is gonna deal withT.D. and the rest of the many many false prophets that are here leading people astray, teaching things other than the True Word Of GOD

  12. Rev. Mary

    Wow!! So much has been said, but the over arching question that keeps resounding in my spirit is, “why would a ‘true’ man of God take opportunity to publicly denigrate another man of God?” There is no point in this behavior for the only purpose it serves is to cast a negative light on the man under attack AND in essence the Church. Society already has a questionable view on the Church. Why play into that field with a statement as such, about one who is a brother in the faith? There is enough unethical behavior be perpetrated in the world. Why continue to bring it into the church?

    The problem is, as a body we have become disjointed. Instead of the various churches and miniatures working together we have adopted an elitist mindset which has facilitated separation asking the brethren. When a human body’s joints are dislocated or inflamed, then there’s pain – extreme pain. It’s a question that I’ve been asking (rhetorically) to myself lately, but it’s one that the ministry [bodies] need to explore realistically. If we are to be effective in a world that’s on a collision course with judgment then out attention has to shift onward for the purpose of repentance and chamber in our own behavior. We have left our first love and taken up another lover – the self. Let it be known that God is sorely displeased! This attack should not have happened and if Jesus was/is indeed the focus then it WOULD NOT have happened, not on such a public stage, our even a private one at that.

    Why didn’t this leader reach out to Jakes? I’m sure the opportunity was there for from one leader to another a phone call might have sufficed to at least sit down together and get clarity together, pray together, and even share concerns together, but not this. That move put us right into the enemy’s playing field.

    Rev. Mary P.

    1. dbm

      I thank God for Pastor Jesse Lee Peterson, this is a demonstration of the true defense for the Gospel of Jesus Christ in action. Not one thing Pastor Peterson said suggested he was being malicious towards anyone. It was handled openly because the statements were generated by someone in Christian Leadership, publicly and unfortunately did not demonstrate a clear and strong enough defense for the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Pastor Peterson did not demonstrate causing division or that he did not love his “bretheren” but instead, he demonstrated that he “does”. I know this is just my opinion, but being “attacked and being “persecuted” are not the same. All of us Christians are on the same playing field when it comes to demonic attack, but too many Christians jump to the defense of Christian Leadership without a balanced understanding of scripture. Doctrinal error or the lack of responsibility to it is what gives Satan access to deceive the “very Elect”. maa’m please study and ask the Lord for revelation if you are willing to do so.God has not changed his mind regarding the positional Kingdom responsibility of Men. Spiritually UnCovenanted relationships especially with uncovered women in secular leadership is where satan managed this type of access in this leader’s life. Pastor Peterson is to be commended.

  13. Pastor Ca'ren Faulk

    the response from Bishop Jakes is laughable! He is all over the road in this one, he needs to get in a lane and drive that lane. He makes it plain that he doesn’t agree with same sex marriage, I get that, but he does agree with homosexuality! Wow!!!! No body needs his opinion on what the government provides that’s just the world looking out for their own. His opinion is suppose to be what God says about the matter. We are the body of Christ not the body of Jakes. It’s very clear to me that the Bishop supports gay behavior, but not gay marriage! What a messed up man he is becoming!
    Pastor Caren( the outspoken lady for Christ)

  14. Armedia

    T.D Jakes is for the government, He is a Hollywood preacher he is not for Christ he down with the LGBT agenda, point blank , if he was for Christ he don’t have to make up lies as he go , he just told on himself he not a good preacher any way he is not talking about nothing , I don’t understand why the Black Church are any body put there trust in a TV preacher anyway nothing changing in the black Church but foolishness , we need to be reading the billet for are selves and seeking god not allaying listing to these TV preacher. Ex ministries speaks the truth thank GOD for G Craig Lewis.

  15. Pastor Ca'ren Faulk

    There is no way that a true Bishop of God would tell homosexuals to find a church that agrees with their sin. Bishop Jakes is all over the place. He is confused about everything these days. He says he does not agree with same sex marriage but he does agree with homosexuality? What kind of mess is that? It sounds sinful and under minding. There’s a gay agenda going on somewhere close to his house. No real man or woman of God avoids the true subject here, which is; is homosexuality accepted in the body of Christ? NO! Plain and simple.

  16. joe polasek

    We must all be careful and not stray from our purpose in ministry and allow our selves to get caught up in the world and money . let tour yes be yes and no no .

  17. walk23

    I saw the CNN interview and immediately thought Mr. Jakes was in bed with our President. I know he has met with our confused leader and that after the Supreme Court’s ruling affirming gays the right to marry, Barack Obama gloated and said “religious people, read Christians, need to accept it and to get over it.” His boldness showed his Christian values or lack thereof. Mr. Jakes, it appears, is the outgrowth of that plan. With him being in Obama’s inner circle, the interview is the natural outcome of that plan. Mr. Jakes also mimics Obama’s televised evolved on gays should have the right to marry speech in 2010, say he too had evolved and was evolving on this issue. Knowing that this man’s son was caught soliciting a male undercover cop for homosexual acts, it doesn’t surprise that his views too have evolved. Within his Potter’s House congregation he spoke against the Supreme Court’s ruling on gay marriage, but on television he talked up coexistence within the Black Church and the gay community. I was of the opinion that a minister of the Gospel should have the same views and speech as God, i he was called by God. It certainly looks dubious having a so called Reverend, which Mr. Jakes goes by, speaking otherwise with this new inclusionist doctrine. Mr. Peterson brings up a valid point of Mr. Jakes conversation with Mr. Hill, the obvious vehicle for CNN to desensitize the Church. Mr. Hill is a pawn of the LGBT’s agenda and has no clue on spiritual matters.

  18. george harrrison

    We need discernment of God and to really look at what people say especially in today’s media which protects their own. T.D. is in Hollywood’s corner because they line his pockets with money. POTUS says a lot of things against christianity and blacks while supporting lgbt, atheist, and Islam. These people are slick and a lot of people don’t see this unless they do some research.

    1. Ellen Y Mathes-Maith

      You are so absolutely right. Jakes among a lot of others are enemies of the Cross. Anytime you will not stand up for Christ, you’re in trouble. These pastors compromise terribly. I will fight to the end when anyone changes, adds to, or personalizes for their own satisfaction, the Word of God. If you disagree or don’t believe Gods Word or have not been born again with the Spirit of the Lord, you are headed for destruction. From cover to cover the Bible is true, period.

  19. Jack

    We need preachers that can read with clarity, and relay what was written verbatim to all who ask. God does not wrestle with his thoughts. The scriptures are inspired by him for our salvation. Paul was not writing a commentary, just the facts. And as a good preacher said, he did it while looking at his own chopping block.

  20. Cai

    I knew that this would blow up. I saw the interview and heared him well. There was little time to elaborate on the homosexual minute segment of the show as his new book was the subject matter of the show. He should have sticked to it and not divert. The show was about 20mins. Say about the last 4mins dealt with his views regarding this now response. And all is washed down the drain from allowing this controversial topic to creep in and boom. It would have been so easy to respond – I am in agreement with what The Word says on the matter. Period. I love Jakes and I sincerely believe that his rebuttal may be true but so many for years have been attacking him….he should have known better. Paul admonishes us to give answers when they’re needed and not to entertain some question because they would only lead to stuff like this. We all have some family member or friend who is a homosexual and we do love them. But as Believers, we don’t have an opinion when it comes to what The Word blatantly says. Bishop response was like that when He interviewed on Oprah some years back. I believe I do understand his rebuttal but he should have kept that same stance in the public on the subject matter that he had on Oprah. Besides, on The Huff Post show, he didn’t have no real time to elaborate and coming back to do clearify, which could be true (and I want to believe), can look as if he is untrue and just trying to not look bad. These things happen to the best of us. Jakes I love you and keeping you in prayer. God knows the true intent of your heart. And in this time for you and others, I trust Him. God bless.

    1. dbm

      There was no mention or defending the Gospel, the Word of God in your post.In reality, Just wondering, what is your opinion on present day Christians being martryed and persecuted for the word sake?

  21. bishop naga mohammed

    Elder preachers are becoming something else. This is why terrorism on the increase. Truth is compromised falsehood is gaining ground. Unless we tell the world the truth. TRUTH WILL SET THE WORLD FREE. We are passing through the fruits of this compromises teachings brought to us.

  22. jack

    There are lots of intelligent people that stay away from church because of preachers like this. They can read the
    word and understand it. But can’t understand what some of these preachers are saying, and doing. Why go they say, when the preacher can’t follow what is written. They have the same question as Christ, “how do you read it.” (Luke 10:26) I’m hard on preachers, but God will be harder. Still room, and time. Even for them, but they must
    recant publicly, and repent. The repenting they can do privately to God. To everyone that wants there to be a black body of Christ,(or church) I suggest getting a copy The Truth Behind The Black Church. There’s a great story by Min. Ford about being baited. Timely now as it was then. And excellent info on false god worship. I thought had found a hole in EX when read the title. But I was wrong, they read the word correctly. And they spoke the truth. No holes in this ministry. Let’s support these men with finance, and especially prayer.

  23. J. Wesson

    I think T.D. Fakes has gotten to many degrees and taken too many of Oprah’s master classes. It is embarrassing when the people of God are in opposition with the so called “pastor” who is supposed to be leading God’s people. There are fundamental principles that every Christian should have and as a pastor who is pastoring a body of people – he (and other pastors) are really lacking. It’s called a spine. This is what happens when you continue to compromise and mix with the world (especially Hollywood). The bible is very clear, that we cannot serve two masters.

    Why would any Christian tell someone to go to a church that supports their desire to sin? Oh that church over there likes to party every Friday. They have secular music every 2nd Sunday. You don’t have to give up what you like to do, just find a church that agrees with you. So TDJ congregation should know that he doesn’t care if you actually get into heaven. Just make sure you show up for church (any church) and pay your tithes.

  24. Rev. Mary

    I am seeing a terrible trend among born-again believers. It seems that we have taken to ‘exposing’ as opposed to discipling — spreading the gospel of hope. Certainly we are to pray for spiritual discernment so as to not get caught in the snares of the enemy; but we have left the job we have been purposed for and taken on another assignment that is not ours to do. The behavior is likened to what politicians have been doing more rampantly in the past century. Instead of focusing of the positive matters they have taken aim at their opponents in order to make themselves shine. Hmmmm. Is that what we are doing; and if so, then WHY??? Aren’t we supposed to be on the same team? Why are we glorying in exposing people, and things.

    This is reminiscent of what the men was trying to do by bringing the woman who was “caught in adultery.” They brought her to expose her sin, as well as trip up Jesus (they failed miserably) and catch Him in hypocrisy; but what they succeeded in doing was exposing their own trickery, being hypocritical (because they did not call out the brother who was committing adultery with the young woman-ha), and having that same light shone on their own unprofessed/confessed sins.

    God doesn’t want us doing His job. He wants us doing the assignment that comes with salvation. That is taking that message to others – not throwing each other under a bus. Seriously? Self-righteousness will cause us to lose focus and that only helps to perpetuate division and disunity in the Church. Workers of the enemy will expose themselves; our job then becomes staying away and preaching Christ more abundantly. Where sin abounds, grace abounds all the more! I don’t know what is in Jakes heart, nor do I know what’s in anyone else’s, but I do know that I don’t gain anything highlighting the flaws or mistakes he or any of us has made. Reach out to the brother. He is our brother, right? Ask him before you judge him. Media is doing what they’ve been trained to do – why can’t we do what we’re being trained to do? Loving our neighbor as our self looks different from my perspective. Makes me wonder whether we really are on the same team….hmmmm

    Rev. Mary P.

  25. Paula

    I am in total agreement with Mr. Peterson. As usual Jakes like many other compromising pastors on the planet are afraid to call homosexuality what God calls it – sin! And how in the world could he compare the issue the Corinthian church faced concerning the covering of a woman’s head with homosexuality?? One is dealing with culture and the other is dealing with sin. There is nothing to grapple about now. Paul made it clear homosexuals will not have any part of God’s Kingdom; he never said women who cut their hair or do not cover their heads won’t!!

  26. Anthony

    I guess we should just bow down and support every ungodly decision the government makes and “find” a place and people to encourage those decisions. It is very sad and disturbing when that encouragement comes from leaders in the church who say they believe bible based scripture. I wonder does he feel the same way about finding a place for legalized sex and abortion.

  27. sanele

    I think the spirit of unknown has triped in,and so many people are going to Die and Go to Hell because,of one things that the forget,the bible Say ‘  The reverent and worshipful fear of the Lord is the beginning (the chief and choice part) of Wisdom, and the knowledge of the Holy One is insight and understanding.’ By doing so it when you do according to God’s word representing God ass pure God

    And we should undertand that The Father in heaven would have done you to become whatever he wanted but not ‘Gay’ so I think these people are mentaly confused

  28. sanele

    I think the spirit of unknown has triped in,and so many people are going to Die and Go to Hell because,of one thing that the forget,the bible Say ‘  The reverent and worshipful fear of the Lord is the beginning (the chief and choice part) of Wisdom, and the knowledge of the Holy One is insight and understanding.’ By doing so it when you do according to God’s word representing God ass pure God

    And we should undertand that The Father in heaven would have done you to become whatever he wanted but not ‘Gay’ so I think these people are mentaly confused

  29. John Stefanyszyn

    TD Jakes…FREEDOM, the Overarching System (the ‘god of fortresses’?) that Protects Unique Nuances.

    Mr. Jakes recently stated …
    …”…Once you begin to understand that democracy, that a republic actually, is designed to be an overarching system to protect our unique nuances, then we no longer look to public policy to reflect biblical ethics.”
    …”The church should have the right to have its own convictions and values; if you don’t like those convictions and values and you totally disagree with it, don’t try to change my house, move into your own … and find somebody who gets what you get about faith.”

    It is clear that Mr. Jakes believes in, defends, and glorifies the righteousness of FREEDOM of Self-Rights….which in this discussion revolves around freedom of sexual lifestyle and religious freedom.

    He has very clearly justified in his eyes the “goodness” of the democratic (self-ruling) system, outlining that it acts as the “overarching system”, ie the authority above all other authorities, that protects the nuances , the differences in the variety and preferences of personal beliefs, whether they be sexual or religious.

    In other words, this “ overarching” acts as the ‘god of (above) all fortresses’.

    It is written in Daniel, that the last king of the north will glorify and advance his “god of fortresses”.

    What is the one belief, amongst all nations, peoples, religions, lifestyles, that is common to all?
    What one belief is embraced, desired, and glorified by the small and the great, by the rich and the poor, by the free (employers) and by the bondmen ( employees)?
    What is the one belief that is marked as a sign of allegiance on everyone’s forehead and hand?

    Is it not the love for FREEDOM…for freedom of self-rights, freedom of self-religion, freedom of self-happiness, freedom of sexual lifestyle?

    Mr. Jakes has clearly shown that he places this FREEDOM as the overarching way of life above all other beliefs, thus subsequently placing the Son of the One Creator, the Lord Jesus Christ, below this “FREEDOM” and consequentially categorizing HIM to be of EQUAL validity to ‘other gods’.

    This FREEDOM dictates that it is RIGHT, a right, to be free to worship ANY ‘god’ as per one’s self-justified desires, establishing this to be “good” in one’s own eyes.

    BUT the One Creator said that man is not to worship any other gods. In other words HE said that man is NOT FREE to worship other gods, warning man that if he were to do so the judgement and penalty for this taken-freedom, for this disobedience, would be death.

    The Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the One Creator, said the we are to worship ONLY the One Lord your Creator God and HIM Alone to serve in obedience and love, love for HIM first and foremost and love for, to do GOOD according to the One True Way, to the fellow man.

    Very soon, the Lord Jesus Christ will return, as a thief in man’s eyes, to rule the earth in obedience and power as the ONE KING according to the Will of ‘I AM’ and NOT according to man’s first love for “his overarching freedom “, for his desire to serve and magnify oneself (XES).
    …and man will weep and clench his teeth in intense anger when his freedom will be no more
    …and the Lord Jesus Christ will say, to those that hypocritically and theologically claim “biblical ethics” in His Name, that “ I do not know you, workers of lawlessness”.

    The Lord Jesus Christ said to repent and to serve Only Him, for He is the One True Way of Life.

  30. Jeanne M

    Rev. Mary I do understand where you’re coming from, but what about Galatians 6:1, in reference to those who’ve tried talking to and with Jakes and he’s decided not to take heed (because he doesn’t believe he’s in the wrong)?
    How is telling “the lost” who really DO NEED the Savior, to “go to a church that confirms them”, helping them when Christ says ‘otherwise’? Some gays have written to tell me they applaud Jakes for “standing with them”, when I’ve had to give them Scriptures that don’t agree. Double talking and sugar coating is sending MANY to hell, because very sadly (even amongst chrisians) political correctness really is running amok.
    Lastly, I most certainly do keep Jakes, Osteen, etc. in my prayers, as the fulfillment of The Book of Revelation draws us ever closer to His coming, but God help those who’ve lead these folks astray.

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